Phew. Politics. Phew. PDF Print E-mail
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Saturday, 24 October 2009 00:00

Why now? Why politics again?  Because the situation, at hand, has become quite comical to me.

 

People across the nation have openly bashed conservatism and the questions that many respectful republican citizens have asked the current administration.  Why?  Because it goes against our leader's ideas and it seems as if everyone else is under Obama's trance unwilling to look at what is really going on.  (Stop rolling your eyes at me - I can see that - I do have a point) As one of the most liberal American leader, to date, Obama has asked Americans to email The White House with fishy accusations and recently attempted to delegitimize Fox news channel (his White House press secretary Robert Gibbs stated it was because "that's our opinion)."  I can only imagine the field day NBC, CBS, and ABC would have on this, if the tables were turned.  Never in our history has a president, who vowed to be a transparent leader, asked to stop a media source because it's was against his "opinion."

 

The government of socialist President Hugo Chavez has recently cracked down on the media too, closing 200 radio stations many of which in his own words were "sick" and encouraged that viewers  "turn off the illness."  Because they ultimately did not support him or his opinions and caused "his" people to needlessly worry about things that were accusations.

 

How dare I compare Obama to Chavez?  Both men got upset when media, whatever format, started to spread "criticism" about them and threatened to shut down the source.  I don't care what the media source is and what the message they were spreading;  this country was founded on the freedom of speech. My parents and I left our birth country that silenced my father's political views.  How could this be happening here, a silencing of opposing opinions?  Leave it up to the people to research and decide on their own.  That is the most beautiful part of living in a true democracy and should never be silenced.

 

It's almost as if the Obama has assumed a Nixonian paranoia thinking that everyone on the other side is against him.  Our rich history is full of stories of citizens criticizing our presidents.  Get over it Obama and start making the changes you promised!  You have the majority of votes to make things happen!!!  I, as a conservative, forced my child to watch TV on the day of the inauguration knowing very well that history was made.  I was proud.   Only thing now is that, nothing has really changed and the actions of the administration are causing me super paranoia of a socialist government to come.  I.  Am. Afraid.  Nothing has happened but the nit-picking of people opposing in opinions.

 

Perhaps the only liberal journalist that actually senses trouble in the administration is ABC News Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper.  The rest of the journalist fill mainstream media with rainbows and unicorns stifling the majority of Amercian's political curiosity.  Even sites like BlogHer, a community I am very proud to be a part of for women who blog, is headquartered in the uber-liberal San Francisco and continues to fill their site with predominately liberal sources in regards to politics.  They recently interviewed Nancy Pelosi (democrat, the first female Speaker of the House of Representatives, also from San Francisco).  Woot.  Woot.  To woman in power!  But, boo on Pelosi and her extreme views who never actually answered pressing questions posed by my fellow bloggers while on conference call with www.blogher.com. But I digress.

 

Gah.  I've had enough.  There are so many things happening within the current administration that I'm not cool with.  I am in the vast minority online.  I know this.  No need for me to hide behind my computer screen because that would do no good for my children.  What would I be teaching them?  If you disagree with the leader just silence yourself and play along with the majority because they might be right?  I am not okay with where the current administration is leading us.

 

I am following in my father's foot steps, voicing my opinion out loud, questioning the politics of our great nation and in hopes that it will bring answers.  Or changes.  I don't know what else to say.  I am just very distraught tonight and have been holding it in for some time now.  Hoping I don't end up in Siberia.  Phew.

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Comments  

 
# Lisa 2009-10-23 23:54
clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap...BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
# anna b bonkers 2009-10-24 00:00
Wow! Way to go! I really cannot say much since I am in Canada but I absolutely applaud you for standing up and letting your voice be heard. It is people that do this that make a difference.
You are so inspiring and I am so glad to see someone not be a blind sheep!
 
 
# Rose RedNeckWitch 2009-10-24 00:06
*standing applause*
 
 
# Loralee 2009-10-24 00:12
I become more and more liberal by the day it seems. Honestly..I am a registered Republican but I have been giving that a lot of thought this year and I am not sure if I will remain so much longer. I am passionate about Gay rights and HC reform, but I am am in the huge, huge, HUGE minority in my family and where I live so I always appreciate people standing up for their beliefs...especially when it's difficult to do.

We may disagree on things but you certainly haven't lost me as a reader. :)
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 00:16
I am a believer in Gay rights myself. It seems SO silly to me why politicians just don't get it. Who cares, really?

As for HC reform, I'm still torn. Much like you husband. :)
 
 
# Jayna @ Yankee Drawl 2009-10-24 00:21
Following in your father's footsteps is admirable in this instance. There are too many blind sheep following the herd and not asking the questions.

Bravo to you for using your voice to ask them.

Apparently we need to start talking politics during gymnastics :-)
 
 
# Tiffany 2009-10-24 00:23
While I appreciate your opinion, I think it's important to remember that Obama is indeed being a "transparent president". Other presidents have done the same with the media, they simply did it behind closed doors so that this kind of backlash would not happen.

Personally, I prefer the transparency.

I think, as a whole, we Americans have the mistaken idea that we are "free". While we do indeed have certain freedoms that other countries do not, we are far from free. We live in an illusion of freedom, and everyone seems to have their own interpretation of it.

I understand your frustration, as I to am frustrated, but for very different reasons.

Frankly, I'd love to move to Canada.
 
 
# Bee 2009-10-24 10:15
I'm in Canada. I think most of us would LOVE to trade leaders with you ; )

Think we can arrange something?
 
 
# Chrissy 2009-10-24 18:25
Wow, Tiffany. I totally disagree that Obama is being a "transparent president." Perhaps his administration is being open about hating Fox News but that's about it. Closed door meetings with the drug companies when he promised all meetings would be shown on CSPAN. Appointing an insane amount of czars that are accountable to NO ONE and refusing to allow them to testify in front of Congress. It goes on and on. Turns out transparency is just another one of those campaign promises he immediately went back on.
 
 
# Carrie 2009-10-24 00:29
This is nothing new, we just have more access to the information, in my opinion.

I applaud your voice, and I'm glad you have one. That - is something we better not ever lose in this country and I'll fight tooth and nail to make sure it stays that way.
 
 
# mayberrydoc 2009-10-24 00:51
Good for you! I applaud you! The current admin seems to be always finding something to divert our attention of what is going on. I love this country! I do not want it to be cast aside and be a banana republic.
 
 
# Brea in Texas 2009-10-24 01:09
Good for you for speaking up on a subject that matters to you!! More people need to let their voices be heard ... in a non-insane way. Cause just shouting at people really doesn't help any cause. :)

I agree with you on this subject, and I'll be linking to this post soon. Thank you for having your voice!!
 
 
# Jeremiah 2009-10-24 01:49
WOW, Obama a liberal-call the news.But wait,box news(that's right BOX),ABC,NBC,CBS actually deliver news?I guess there is real dancing in "Dancing with the Stars".Please o' Please define a socialist because it looks like we have them in both the Redumbican and the Dumbacrats.Nikon paranoia, so what is wiretapping?Oh I forgot,they let us keep our guns,soon smoke weed and let gays openly serve in the military and get married-yay progress!!.what true democracy are your referring to that's being silenced?how quick did we forget the last 8 years or better yet the last 30 years.and if,as you so elegantly put it,nothing has changed,then what are you so paranoid about?Freedom of speech,so what about all those that were called names,silenced and arrested for being antiwar-that's right simple math says antiwar=unpatriotic.While we are at it,this nation was not founded by christian-but this takes some reading to figure out and why do that when we can watch box news 24/7.lots more value there.
and just fyi,the president does not hate white people like Kanye said GW hated black people.but being the free america we live in,we still watch box news and buy Kanye's music."We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union..." The government is made of We the people.
Bravo to you for forcing your kid to watch history - I gave mine a choice.
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 07:43
I also force my child to eat her green vegetables. I don't give her a choice. She's a child.

Just like Obama is a leader and should take advantage of having the majority of votes and DO things instead of worry about media. THAT is my point. What a joke it is that he is worried about opposing opinions.
 
 
# Jeremiah 2009-10-24 09:44
and the graduate from childhood to adulthood at 18? interesting. I have to agree with you on "Just like Obama is a leader and should take advantage of having the majority of votes and DO things...." same way GW and Dickie did.shove it down our throats so fast and care less what the people want. Redumbicans are good at getting things done good and bad, Dumbacrat are great a singing kumbaya... And just because the president is not going on box news doesn't mean he is worried about opposing opinions.If box news is an entertainment channel just like the rest of them and you are playing into their hype.We are talking about 'news' channels that were so out of touch to know what tea bagging meant.I guess that's what happens when middle america watches one channel and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world. If you want to talk about transparency-we have seen a lot more of it than any other administration.You say the WH blog is a joke,but they have one just like you have one. People are running around screaming they are scared - what are you so scared about?You lost your liberties a long time ago and more recently renewed with the "patriotic act".you are about to lose more with the "internet freedom act". As opposed to running around scared and paranoid of what may happen, read(as opposed to watching) the real news.if you are getting your news from GE or Viacom or Disney or Rupert,that's not news it's as entertaining as Glee!!!
 
 
# John 2009-10-24 13:19
Your pathetic.

Take a stance. Have a opinion. Stop with your ad hominem arguments and attack the issues not the people.
 
 
# Jeremiah 2009-10-24 23:46
you may want to heed your own advise - or is it that conservatives are the only ones that can play the name calling game? what issue have you attacked here?
 
 
# John 2009-10-25 13:42
You have the burden of proof.

I'm not a conservative and I have worked for Rahm Emanuel for a couple years.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 13:59
John,

It sounds like you might have something interesting to add to the argument so by all means add it!

Name calling is such a conservative move and so 2000-2008!
 
 
# John 2009-10-25 15:05
hehe

Well, I find it disheartening that the administration is trying to ostracize conservatives and Fox news. Conservative, Liberal, or Independent, we are all Americans and have the inherent responsibility of criticizing anything we deem unjust.

I'm not a fan of the Glenn Beck's, Ann Coulter's, or the Al Franken's but I would never tell people not to listen to them because I disagree.

It's just Un-American.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 15:20
John,

How is the Administration trying to ostracize conservatives?

I haven't been able to find one statement by the Administration that outright states or insinuates that Americans should not criticize the government. If, however, you would like quotes from the Bush Administration verbalizing those thoughts let me know!

Here's the quote from President Obama:

"I think what our advisers have simply said is that we are going to take media as it comes," Obama told NBC's Savannah Guthrie. "And if media is operating basically as a talk radio format then that's one thing, and if it's operating as a news outlet that's another. But it's not something I'm losing sleep over."
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 15:49
John,

Your first link is an article that paints the comments as trying to "undermine" conservatives. I disagree - I think they are calling it like they see it.

That said, I do understand where you are coming from. Regardless I would much prefer the current situation to the past:

www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3812

The second link is basically stating that the whole dust-up is benefitting Fox financially!
 
 
# Al_Pal 2009-10-24 03:45
You asked for constructive criticism. I'll give it a whirl.

Never in our history has a president, who vowed to be a transparent leader, asked to stop a media source because it's was against his "opinion."
Has any other President vowed to be transparent?

Leave it up to the people to research and decide on their own.
Right, and that is what Fox *claims* to do, & yet they have been caught in ludicrous lies, many times, deliberately spinning stories WAY far to the right. Now, granted, some or many of these websites will have a liberal bias, but: google "fox news caught lying". Tons of results. If you sub in "abc", there are a tenth as many results: nearly 65k vs. ~6k. NOW, google results don't have to be the end-all and be-all, and certainly, as you said, you are in the minority online, so that makes sense that there would be more anti-fox websites.
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 07:47
No other president has vowed to be transparent. You are right. But for someone that has totally promised over and over again winning the hearts of people with that statement... this is a comical to me because the man doesn't like what he hears & takes action against.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:00
Pauline,

Really all he has done is exactly what you have done - he stated his opinion.

Opinion that Fox "News" is not a legitimate news source.

There is no censoring going on. No threats of censorship. No revocation of press passes. NOTHING but a stated opinion,
 
 
# Al_Pal 2009-10-24 04:00
Some may discount my words because I live in "uber-liberal San Francisco". I am, however, registered independent [Decline to State] and always have been. I have some Libertarian tendencies. But sure, I side with [or near] the Dems on a lot of issues. I'm in favor of gay rights. Of human & civil rights of all kinds. I would *like* to be able to have affordable health care.

I have read many stories of the current health care system letting people down, terribly. It is so NOT right that people can lose their homes or life savings because of a medical accident!

Anyhow, I applaud you for saying your piece; for bravely linking to it in a liberal-leaning community. &, indeed, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it, quite vigilantly!

Jeremiah, just above me in comments, made a great point: "how quick did we forget the last 8 years or better yet the last 30 years"

So, indeed: what is this ideal America of which you speak? Have you seen it in the last 8 or 30 years? As far as I've seen, Obama has greatly increased our liberties as compared to his predecessors!

He's still got a ways to go, clearly, but it takes time to clear away the muck that Bush instituted.

I hope we get some good news soon. The passing of the Matthew Shepard act today was quite heartening, for me.
 
 
# Becky 2009-10-24 05:54
I am as 'scared' about our future government as you. I wonder and worry what kind of world my children will live in when they are parents.
Kudos to you for writing this. I wish more people had the courage to stand up and speak out.
Thank you
 
 
# Marinka 2009-10-24 07:05
I am still trying to recover from being forced to watch Fox News when I visited my in-laws in September, so I hope you forgive me for not responding to the "deligitimizing Fox News" comment.

I think we all know that this is not how censorship works. Call me once O'Reilly has been disappeared.

(and good luck getting rid of me as a reader, Comrade. Not going to happen.)
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 07:56
It's not about censorship. I know that's not how it works. It's the fact that his office verbalized the threat. Seriously? I actually laughed out loud twice (once for the WH blog and again for the FOX news) what leader does that?

Like when SNL did the Obama skit last week and I tweeted how funny it was and a flood of tweets from liberals came in saying that were not amused. OMG. Are people serious?
 
 
# Vegas710 2009-10-25 12:50
I didn't hear where they made that threat. I haven't really heard a lot of it, but did they do anything besides say that they are of the opinion that Fox News isn't actually news? That seems like a far cry from even threatening censorship. Which is why he should not have been compared to Chavez. That comparison makes it hard to take the rest of the post very seriously. And this is coming from me, who adores you and your blog and your tweets!
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:05
Pauline,

What threat was verbalized?

I would love to see a quote.

Regardless, I would rather deal with someone's known opinions than the insidiousness of "managing the media", pretending that nothing is wrong all the while punishing with silence.
 
 
# melissa 2009-10-24 08:03
i think there are a LOT of broken promises in this administration.
times are scary. i worry for my children what they are inheriting and if there will be anything worth salvaging when it's over.
 
 
# Sharon 2009-10-24 08:11
Oh boy Obama just can't win with some Americans. He's either faking out people with his smart 'professor talk' or a communist for caring about people, or a manipulator for being too effective at communicating or an undeserving know it all for winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Was any other president held up to such ridiculously demanding expectations? I'm in Canada (married to an American), enjoying the best health care ANYWHERE and I have to tell you the rest of the world thinks you folks finally have great leadership.
 
 
# Casey 2009-10-24 08:16
I agree! I agree!

I watched Campbell Brown the other day when this Fox business started and she laughed while saying that Fox didn't do serious news like them. Directly after? A story about Miley Cyrus and Twitter. When Michael Moore was on CNN- somehow everyone was totally okay with his statement that as a democracy we should spread wealth around to everyone. No questions were asked, he was just allowed to spew propaganda. Now that's what I call hard hitting, non biased news. Yeah right.

When you are the President, you are the President of everyone. Not just the ones that watch the news shows that love everything you do. By alienating Fox, you are also alienating a large part of your country. Here's to equality, right?

To me, the worst part is that when anyone is critical of the administration, they open themselves up to being labeled a racist. It is assumed that because I disagree with Obama in pretty much all policy areas, I must be a racist. They can not look past the fact that it's not the color of his skin, it's the color of his policies. They seem to forget that I could have carefully considered his views, regardless of his color. I'm surprised no one has gone there with this post, but I see it coming your way.
 
 
# Someone Being Me 2009-10-24 08:28
Thank you so much for speaking up for us conservatives. It is so refreshing to read your blog. Obama seems to be a whole lot less hope and a whole lot more hype.
 
 
# Caryn 2009-10-24 08:33
Pauline, I am not sure I'll ever figure out the realm of politics and the reactions therein, but I was glad to read your post this morning. You give us a lot to think about, regardless of our political views or allegiances. I am glad that you aren't shying away from speaking your mind, as it would be an easy thing to do. I am a bit weary and disheartened at how polarized and defensive we can become, but I suppose this is just the way it is? I wonder if it has to be? In any case, I hope you don't end up in Siberia either -- we'd miss you.
 
 
# Krissy 2009-10-24 08:44
The problem I have ran into is being deemed racist. I do not support Obama. I haven't supported him once. It has nothing to do with his color, I was concerned that the people were getting wrapped up in the moment. Just to put it lightly. But because I have not agreed with our Presidents beliefs and been openly opposed, I have been deemed a racist among other names. I was absolutely appalled that I, so not a racist, would be accused of such things. I have also openly been opposed to other past Presidents or government officials and they have not been black.

Whatever your thoughts are, you need to voice them. I don't care if you are pro or against. This country is great because of the good People, not the government.

Way to stand up and keep standing tall.
 
 
# Jennifer 2009-10-24 08:51
Pauline, I hadn't heard about this. Frankly, it scares the crap out of me. I do wonder, though, if this is something that has always happened, just in a less "transparent" way. NOT that it makes it okay.

Great, well thought out, well linked post.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:34
Jennifer,

The fact that the President has an opinion about a news source that he makes public scares you?

You do realize that that Fox News was called out on not being a legitimate news source - that's it.

When the last Bush Administration was "reigning" they didn't vocalize anything, they just did. Like when they would appear on Fox and no other news channel.

Here's an interesting article you might like:

www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3812
 
 
# Casey 2009-10-24 08:56
Fox News is organizing protests against the government. Why would the Obama administration treat them like an objective news outlet? Imagine that CNN had organized the same protests against Bush. That would never have been accepted. The reason that Obama treats Fox differently is because they have positioned themselves as an opposition faction. tinyurl.com/yfg7abs
 
 
# Chrissy 2009-10-24 18:30
Fox News hasn't organized any protests. Ever. Glenn Beck ... a personality on the air ... was behind the Project 912 stuff. As for the Tea Parties, those were totally grassroots. The only difference?? Fox actually COVERED the protests where the other "news" organizations decided to ignore the fact that there are pissed off voters protesting against massive government spending and new programs.
 
 
# Vegas710 2009-10-25 12:56
Covered 9/12 and ignored the Equality march. Because they are so fair and balanced.
 
 
# Karen 2009-10-24 09:16
I'm probably a moderate conservative as I disagree with conservatives on a number of their morality-based issues. As an American living in Canada, I fear for the U.S. if Obama's healthcare plan goes through as is. I think it will cause major problems. Look at Canada as an example and don't follow our example. (I don't care what other Canadians may think; the system here has MAJOR problems and it is NOT free.)

To me, though, regardless of whether you agree with the party in office or not, questioning their decisions and the motives behind them is 100% essential. It isn't about being for or against them, it's about making sure that they ALWAYS have the country's best interests in mind. I'm pretty conservative in my views, but I was not terribly worried when he took office. The longer he's in, the more worried I get.
 
 
# thepsychobabble 2009-10-24 09:16
I wouldn't stop reading you over something as silly as politics! lol
Obama was not who I voted for(neither was McCain FTR) and there are a lot of issues I disagree with him on.
The same could be said for Fox News. There are a lot of issues I disagree with them on. I can't watch anything beyond headlines on that channel or my blood pressure sky rockets.

HOWEVER...calling for the silencing of a news outlet (however biased and untrustworthy may find it) is against the principles we were founded on. Not Christianity, but Freedom. Freedom of speech, Freedom of press...freedom to know wtf our gov't is up to.

But I see I've stepped on my soapbox, so allow me to hop off, and reassure you that I won't make fun of the fact that you watch Fox...much:p
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 09:19
I am not a big fan of evening FOX. At all. My husband is though. ;)
 
 
# kakaty 2009-10-24 09:25
First off, I want to say I completely understand where you are coming from, because I felt pretty much the same during the GWB years. But, you asked for a Liberal response so here I am once again. I will say that I'm pretty disappointed in the current administration's attack on Fox News...Frankly Fox does a pretty good job of delegitimizing themselves with the countless lies they have been caught promoting.

I really and truly think that people who get all their news from Fox are about as educated as people who get their news from The Onion (and I include my parents in this group). I mean come on, what other "news" channel has organized protests against any administration? If they want to be thought of as a legitimate news organization then they need to act like one.

But, Obama is the "the most liberal American leader to date"? To quote Inigo Montoya "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." I'm pretty sure that title goes to FDR with LBJ following... I think even Carter was more Liberal then Obama is. While he may be in the top 10 liberal presidents there is no way he is the most liberal. And, the guy doesn't even have a year in office under his belt yet - to declare him the "most", "best" or "worst" in anything while other presidents served a full 4-8 years is impossible. ...
 
 
# kakaty 2009-10-24 09:25
...
I was scared for the future of our country when GWB and Co. steamrolled a push to war in Iraq…For a long time I was unsure if I even wanted to have children in a country where the decision of putting the lives of our volunteer military in danger is based on lies and spin. I protested against the war at every chance I had. I wrote letters, I called congress, I spoke with my vote at as much as I could. I was scared for the future when that administration continued to alienate the US from our foreign friends. I was scared for the future when that administration contented to cut funding for programs and protections for the poorest among us at the same time as they gave enormous tax cuts the the uber-weathly. I was scared for the future when they weakened and eliminated laws in place for years that protected our environment and our shared National spaces.

But now? We have an administration that wants to reduce the military presence in a part of the world that was never a threat and finally concentrate on an area that is. It gives me hope that this administration has worked very hard and has gotten farther then any previous administration in making real and necessary changes to how we pay for healthcare. It makes me proud that they have taken broad strokes returning morals to our military and it's treatment of prisoners. I feel safe in the work they are doing to repair broken ties to other countries and to see them build new bridges.
 
 
# Stephanie 2009-10-24 20:51
"We have an administration that wants to reduce the military presence in a part of the world that was never a threat and finally concentrate on an area that is."

Are you sure about that? Because my brother shipped out just last Friday for a 15 month tour in Iraq (I assume that is the non-threatening part of the world that you were referring to). And our military has been asking Obama to send back up troops to Afghanistan and he has been delaying - while our soldiers wait and continue to fight and die without their necessary resources. Police officers don't even go in without enough back up. That looks like the opposite of what you just descirbed.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 15:34
Stephanie, thought you might find this interesting:

"At a House Appropritions subcommittee hearing Sept. 24, 2003, Army Gen. John Abizaid, chief of the U.S. Central Command, did not dispute the estimate that 40,000 troops were without the newer design, and said the $300 million was needed to buy more of the vests.

Abizaid: Now, I can't answer for the record why we started this war with protective vests that were in short supply. But I can tell you that by November, every soldier that's serving in Iraq will have one. It's very important."
 
 
# Stephanie 2009-10-25 20:16
No, I didn't find your convenient slap to the Bush administration interesting. I get that you aren't a Bush supporter but this particular conversation was about Obama and his words about the war compared to his actions with the war. Reminding me of our previous leaders similar mistakes does not make me feel any better about our current leaders current mistakes.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 20:25
Stephanie,

It can hardly be categorized as "convenient", it's a fact.

If I understand you correctly we can only look to the present and we can't look to history?

Which mistakes are the Obama administration making that make you feel badly?

When was Iraq a threatening part of the world to the US? Was it when we invaded and occupied the country AFTER our government conspired to lie to their people and the world?

It may be a threatening part of the world now but certainly we must be willing to take responsibility for that.

The fact that the Bush administration lied in order to occupy and invade a country, at least in part for profit (Blackwater), that it is hardly convenient but morally reprehensible. That they did not ensure that those fighting for their profit were not protected is a travesty and something that should never be forgotten.
 
 
# Stephanie 2009-10-25 20:36
That's just it, GreenInOC, you aren't understanding correctly. Sure, go ahead and look to the past. I agree with you that it wasn't great. But it sure sounds like your defense for Obama continuing those mistakes is "You started it."
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 20:46
Stephanie,

You do fail to mention (or answer) that I did ask you what mistakes you feel that the Obama administration is making that make you feel badly?

We (not just you and I but we as a community, a group of people, those being represented) can never have a productive dialog without facts.

As to the "you started it" feeling that you may perceive, I think it is exasperation that it took 8 YEARS to get us into this multi-faceted nightmare. We heard no voices of dissent from Bush supporters only undying support. People that did speak up were called unpatriotic, traitors, told to leave, told that they were supporting "the enemy", etc...

Now that we have a new President of 9 MONTHS people somehow are shocked that things aren't different, are pissed when changes are proposed, don't want to look back at the role they played in the creation of this mess.
 
 
# Stephanie 2009-10-25 21:42
You can find my answer to your question in my original post.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 21:54
Stephanie (Part 1),

So I am assuming this is what you are referring to:

"...our military has been asking Obama to send back up troops to Afghanistan and he has been delaying."

I'm sure that you couldn't have forgotten that more troops were sent to Afghanistan earlier this year under the Obama administration.

I'm sure that you understand that the military has been asking for more troops to Afghanistan almost from the beginning.

I'm sure that you remember that the military was taxed when we invaded and occupied Iraq.

I'm sure you realize that this "war" against an unknown enemy has been going on for 7 years.

continued below...
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 21:55
continued from above...

Stephanie (Part 2),

I hope you have read history and realize that the problems in this region began a long long time ago. The US involvement in the region in the '80's is the basis for the current cluster-f*#@.

I want to believe that you had reservations about our country attacking another without basis. The Afghani people did NOT attack our country. The power vacuum, devastation and empty promises that we left in the '80's allowed for Bin Laden to grow from an ardent supporter of the US to one who wanted to fight back.

I am sure that you must be following the current news that the latest election has been another cluster f#*% and sending in more troops without a proper government in place might very well possibly cause even more deaths.

I can only assume that you understand that the larger issue is way past black and white.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 22:03
Stephanie,

This you might really be interested in:

news.yahoo.com/.../usafghanistanmilitarytroops

In addition to the troop surge earlier in the year (21,000), another 13,000 were just approved (10/13/09) by Obama.

Side rant: I don't think we should call them troops. I think that this is a convenient euphemism to make us forget that troops are soldiers. When "troops" are attacked, killed or put in harms way it doesn't outrage us like it would it were reported that soldiers died, etc...
 
 
# Kasia 2009-10-24 09:27
Results on public policy don't happen in 120 days. We are still riding on W's legacy.
 
 
# RuensOnTheRun 2009-10-24 09:34
Bravo, Bravo!!
 
 
# Krista 2009-10-24 10:21
At this moment, I don't have the time or brainpower to properly put into words how I feel about our government. But, I can say this: Pauline, you and your family are invited over to our house for dinner and political conversation any time you wish! Because I don't think we will have very many disagreements at all :)
 
 
# Elise 2009-10-24 10:24
Great post. Well said.
 
 
# Karen 2009-10-24 10:24
I like your blog but please stick to what you know - clothes and kids, your political rant was annoying.
 
 
# Dziadek 2009-10-24 10:44
Pamietam ze wlasnie takie odpowiedzi byly typowe dla Komunistow.
"Nie z zajmuj sie tym bo sie nie znasz"
"My" sie na tym znamy i my Tobie powiemy czym masz sie zajmowac i gdzie jest Twoje miejsce.



Alez wlasnie Ona sie tym zajmuje,przyszloscia "branzy "cloth" i przyszloscia swoich dzieci.
Przeciez jak sie tym nie zajmie to niedlugo bedziemy chodzic ubrani jednakowo, bo bedzie tylko jedna "prawidlowa" fabryka Odziezowa (Cloth),jedna prawidlowa szkola, jedn ":dobry lekarz" ,jedna telewizja jeden "Wielki Przywodca",ktorego nie mozna krytykowac.
To idzie i tylko takie glosy ja Ten moze cos zmienic i nie dopuscic do tego ze bedziemy "przyjaciolmi dla nieprzyjaciol"
 
 
# kim-d 2009-10-24 19:21
If I knew what this said, I bet I would agree with it!
 
 
# MikeK 2009-10-24 20:12
He basically said that he remembers communists saying the same thing. They would say don't speak out against anything because you just don't understand.

He then said that in socialist Poland there was only one "right" brand of clothing, one "right" school, one "right" doctor. It was those things that could not be criticized.
 
 
# Leslie 2009-10-24 20:52
P, did your dad just bitch-slap someone in Polish??? Bwahahaha, that's awesome, I love your family!
 
 
# Leslie 2009-10-24 21:02
P.s. Karen forgot to add "remodeling" to the list....that was definitely some good material as well.
 
 
# thepsychobabble 2009-10-25 12:51
Dear OhMommy
I love that your dad just gave someone the smack down in polish
Sincerely
Thepsychobabble
 
 
# kim-d 2009-10-24 19:35
No matter what one's political views are, this comment is what is not only annoying, but also mean-spirited. What a patronizing thing to say.
 
 
# Jenera 2009-10-24 10:58
Thank you for this. I'm registered Republican though I can both ways on some topics. I have been criticized for not drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. But here's my thing, I think he has the ability to accomplish some good things. But I also feel he has the ability to screw things up. It seems as though he has this rock star persona and everyone loves him. Yet those that don't are touted as racists, extremists, whatever. What about those that despised George W? It was okay.

This political environment right now is charged big time. There is such an extreme arc to where people fall and everyone is getting all worked up so quickly.

I hope Obama makes better changes. Right now, I don't know if it will happen.
 
 
# Maria 2009-10-24 11:51
This is just not accurate. Obama is not trying to silence the opposition or shut up people's opinions that's just not true, and that's the impression you're giving.

I know you're aware of the lies that are being perpetrated as TRUTH by Fox news, The Drudge Report, and other so called 'news sources' that conservatives/republicans turn to and repeat not as OPINION, but as FACT. And it's not.

Obama is not trying to shut them up, he's trying to make sure that he is able to address them and make sure people know what's REALLY going on. No one's going after bloggers or trying to shut down Fox News. I think it's a GREAT thing that he's trying to make sure his public knows the truth and this obviously IS in the interest of transparency.

This post, and the last post in which you mentioned this, it just fuels the fire and spreads more lies. Whether you intend it or not. And this has nothing to do with me being liberal, this is just me hating that people are twisting this.

Ok. Love you! :)
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 12:30
I am quite aware of some of the crazy opinions posted on FOX news as Im subjected to watching it daily before I steal away the remote from my husband.

Im not trying to do anything here but merely posting my honest opinion. The links I included are all credible sources. I want Obama to succeed. Im just not happy with where I think things are going.

Ok. I love you more! :)
 
 
# Nancy Enger 2009-10-24 12:01
Thank you for speaking up don't quit. You can make a change through your leadership. There are millions of women that feel like you do but just need someone to lead them in the fight. Embrace it, push it, keep going many will follow,
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-24 12:22
I think the issue is Fox's credibility NOT that the Obama administration doesn't want to hear or values dissenting opinion.

Fox is not a NEWS source, it is an ENTERTAINMENT source. If Fox is given access to the White House Press so too should The Daily Show.

The Bush Administration was brilliantly subtle with their disdain for reporters - with any hard hitting questions, they just didn't call on them. Of course, it's easy to be called out for freezing reporters out so the best solution was to hold fewer (almost no) press conferences!

One other thing, you have voiced your dissenting opinion,. You have received "bravo" and "kudos" for doing so.

When citizens voiced their dissenting opinion from 2000-2008 they didn't hear "bravo" they heard "you unpatriotic bitch, leave if you don't like it!".

That right there is a change I think everyone can appreciate!
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 12:24
"That right there is a change I think everyone can appreciate!"

Very well said. And extremely good point.
 
 
# Kimi 2009-10-24 13:37
AMEN, sister!
 
 
# Renny 2009-10-24 13:43
Two thumbs way up. I am a lonely conservative in Vermont, but I'm not afraid to say what I think. Discussion is healthy and it is how everyone reaches the best conclusions.
I recently declared my opinion that Barack Obama is incredibly similar to Benito Mussolini and that made some people real mad, but you know what, he is, so, I'm going to say it. You can disagree if you want and that is your right, but it is my right to dislike him and recognize his fascist tendencies.
I didn't vote for him.
I love America. You are so right. We lose our freedom when we don't fight to keep it. So keep stating your opinion!!!
 
 
# Jeni Hill Ertmer 2009-10-24 13:48
As most everyone who commented before me has said, I too applaud you for speaking up, speaking out. Now THAT is the freedom we do have! Freedom of the press -yes, we do have a wide variety of news media, don't we -some very liberal, some quite conservative and then too, we have Fox! I put them in a category all to themselves as my own opinion -(note MY opinion) is that they twist what they call the news, promulgate lies to the public too. Take Glenn Beck for an example -Oh Lord, how I wish someone would take him, somewhere, anywhere, but not have him as a so-called media person -but anyway, saw him on The View a week or so back and the ladies there asked him outright about his brand of journalism, which is supposed to involve fact checking. Ya know -like Joe Friday on the old Dragnet program "Just the facts, sir, Just the facts" and he would not give them a straight answer. Then he did admit somewhere along the way that he is "an entertainer." Well, that's how I view Fox News -entertainment, maybe; news, not so much. Truthful -rarely!
 
 
# dina kay 2009-10-24 13:49
I have never agreed with you more than I do right now!! I am standing on my chair clapping and cheering. I.totally.agree. As our freedoms slowly slip away people do not realize just how difficult it will be to ever see them again.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-24 13:55
Dina,

I'm curious, is this something you have been concerned about since the the Patriot Act was enacted in 2001?

What about when President Bush signed it into law in 2006? Were you protesting, worried, blogging and speaking up it then?

I'm also curious, what freedoms exactly are slipping away now?
 
 
# Michelle 2009-10-25 19:11
That was honestly going to be my question. The Patriotic Act came to mind immediately when I read this blog.

And this is an honest to goodness question that I hope will not offend you...

Is your blog sponsored at all by anyone? Are you paid for ads, etc.?
 
 
# Jeni Hill Ertmer 2009-10-24 13:51
(Part 2)
I admit I do lean more towards the liberal column but I do have some views that are moderate, a few that could even be construed as conservative too -although some of my conservatism tends towards money issues but definitely not those espoused of a social nature. I believe whole-heartedly in Gay Rights, also in the freedom of choice for women.

I know there is a drastic need for changes to be made to our healthcare system -DRASTIC changes!
In the meantime, keep talking, Pauline. Don't shut yourself down and stifle your beliefs, your opinions. I, like most everyone else who comes to visit your place, sure as Hell wouldn't desert you for speaking your piece, your mind, opinion, etc! (Sorry for writing a book here -but this was something I HAD to respond to and you know me by now, the longest-winded commenter ever, maybe.)
Peace!
 
 
# Jill 2009-10-24 13:53
First, I have to point out that Chavez, shut down over 200 radio stations and Obama did nothing of the sort. He suggested that a "news" network that has a history of telling outright lies no longer be called "news." Fox News had people, tons of people, scared to death that there would be death panels, that would kill elderly citizens. Fox News has said themselves, it's their "opinion" on what is happening. The news is not supposed to be biased and while I won't profess other networks don't lean one way or another in the way of coverage, they don't have the tendency to outright lie like Fox.

When I criticized President Bush I was instantly "unpatriotic"- the word of the administration themselves.

Yes. There is a Liberal majority and from what I've seen President Obama is urging them to vote and pass the ideals you are talking about. This comes down to those Congresspeople to stand up and Act. The President is ONE branch and we have 3 governing branches. It's time to be mad at our own representative and tell them we want change.

I think I'll shut up now. Please know that despite my being far left and your conservative beliefs, I do not unsubscribe to your blog for that reason. I love that I live in a place that we can openly discuss and disagree. I respect your opinion and the fact you take stands against for what you personally believe in.
 
 
# Mommy Fabulous 2009-10-24 14:09
I think the fact that you can voice your opinion is wonderful. But here's where I disagree. I think that if you are expecting to see so much change so quickly after the mess that has created in the past then you may be a bit delusional. He is working to make changes and make good on those promises. He never promised it was all going to magically happen. Change takes time!
 
 
# Headless Mom 2009-10-24 14:40
A note from Headless Dad:
Pauline, what a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately the silencing of Fox and conservative talk radio is just the tip of the iceberg. We now have czars that have been appointed to offices with NO Congressional oversight. What Wall Street executives did to make our economy tank should be criminal, but to now have a "Pay Czar" dictating how much they can earn is the beginning to them dictating what we can earn. Kenneth Fienberg said yesterday, " That he believes that every publicly traded company's executives pay should be regulated." Sadly this redistribution of wealth is exactly what our founders warned against and has failed every where in the world it has been tried and yet it seems as though our government is going to try to shove it down our throats. Where is the tipping point? When are we as a freedom loving nation going to wake up to what's happening around us? It blows my mind that there are those that don't see it. I understand it more here in Communist California where the Government employees, utilities, water and electric, not to mention our State legislators vote themselves raises and unsustainable pensions and never really produce anything. I don't know where the tipping point is. I do know this, I will be attending the next TEA PARTY in our area. I encourage everyone that is as fed up with what's happening to this Country as Pauline, myself and a growing number of Americans to stand up and be heard. TIPPED OFF!
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-24 15:00
Headless Dad (Part 1):

There is no silencing going on. The Administration took a stance about an entertainment program disguising itself as a news program.

Talk radio was only referred to as comparing Fox "News" to talk radio.

President Richard Nixon appointed the first "Czar" - really a special advisor which now had a new name. I believe that President G.W. Bush appointed 47 Czars.

Is the idea of a Czar or special council all of the sudden distasteful? Why?

Why were the companies whose executive pay was cut targeted? Oh yeah, they took government money instead of going bankrupt. They have not yet paid back that money. They have made no moves toward change. They have the people's money and the people deserve better.

I tried to find the quote you refer to made by Kenneth Fienberg yesterday. Can't find it. Would you provide a link?

Where were these people who are all of the sudden concerned about change and their fears how these changes are impacting freedoms during the Bush/Cheney years?

Patriot Act? Patriot Act that became law? Illegal war? The President lying to the American people and people dying as a result? Budget surplus depleted? Bush tax rebate? I could go on but I'll stop myself!
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-24 15:00
Headless Dad (Part 2):

I live in California too. I'm shocked that in your critique you leave out the ridiculous recall of Davis (Democrat) and the mess that Schwarzenegger (Republican) has all too happily created.
 
 
# TRH 2009-10-24 15:09
I have read all the above comments and opinions stated therein. All I can say is the liberal crowd is a scary crowd, so mislead and almost in a trance following their leader. Sad, sad times in which we live ....
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-24 15:11
TRH,

Facts can be scary - sorry!
 
 
# Chelsie 2009-10-24 15:49
I just wanted to let you know how nice it is to have someone that can eloquently and without a bad tone represent those of us who feel the same way as you. I appreciate reading something that truly just wants answers to the hard questions.
 
 
# Headless Mom 2009-10-24 16:23
HD here:
I stand corrected-it was Sen. Schumer. (Reference finance.yahoo.com/.../... )

Arnold is no Conservative,never has been, nor is CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC or MSN any more Journalistic than Fox, they just happen to worship the current administration. Back to Arnold, our communist legislature is a much larger part of the problem than an ineffective Governor whose biggest concern is being liked and making everyone happy.

As far as the pay cuts go, rather than cut the pay of the crooked top twenty five, why have they not been fired? More importantly, if our government has the power to dictate wages in the private sector, (oh I forgot these institutions are no longer private sector as they are owned by the government,)what's to say that that middle managers won't be next? What about the obscene amount of money that athletes or entertainers make? Fiscally irresponsible airline executives? Where does it end? It's a slippery slope.

Ok, throw all the bad guys out. How are you going to attract this country's best and brightest to lead the largest companies when they have no incentive going in knowing their income is capped. There is no profit motive.

continued...
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:17
Senator Schumer introduced a bill months ago to address this. I doubt it has any political steam to get far. This is a far cry from the Pay Czar making the statement. So something to be afraid of? I think not.

Schwarzenegger isn't a conservative? Repealing the "car tax"; no increased tax rates (the emergency reimplementation of the car tax 5 years later not withstanding). Let's just say I beg to differ.

Calling the legislature communist is just a way to shut down an argument. That type of fear mongering is designed for bullys. If you have something to say (like facts) say it.

So you are arguing that the pay cuts weren't enough? You'd rather the government fired them?

The obscene amount of money anyone makes isn't an issue unless they are given a government bailout.

I wouldn't label executives that ran companies into the ground and required billions and billions of dollars to keep afloat "the best and the brightest". I wouldn't hire them to run a dog walking service.

The profit motive comes in stock incentives.
 
 
# Headless Mom 2009-10-24 16:24
It is incrementalism and I'm really sorry that I don"t understand those of you that have this blind faith in the government. I believe that the vast majority of our polititians, Democrats and Republicans want their constituencies to be dependent on them for everything, not for the betterment of our Country but for their own self-aggrandisement. Obama being the worst of them all. Thus far as I see it the Tarp bail out (yes, Bush instituted) and the money Obama has printed have only contributed to record unemployment and no recovery. "When a government has the power to give everything to the people, they also have the power to take everything away" Thomas Jefferson, STILL TIPPED OFF!
 
 
# Jill 2009-10-24 21:15
Kind of like your blind faith in Fox "News"?

As a scary Liberal, I don't have blind faith in my government, which is why I'm ACTIVE in my government.

As for your comment earlier, I reiterate: NO ONE is silencing Fox. Last I checked their FCC clearance has not been yanked nor their station taken over by scary liberals.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:19
Do you believe that if McCain had been elected we would have avoided unemployment after the last 8 years?

Do you believe that if McCain had been elected that there would have been a 10 day economic turn-around?

I would love to see links to your posts & comments from September, October & November of 2008 crying foul over the Bush bailouts.
 
 
# Mary 2009-10-24 18:15
In my opinion, this issue with foxnews is part of his plan. He's using this to get everyone's attention on it so that we are taking the focus off of other things. It's sneaky!
 
 
# Chrissy 2009-10-24 18:34
Pauline, it's great to find another conservative on the internet! :o) Rock on ...
 
 
# Mary 2009-10-24 18:49
I totally agree! Rock on is right!
 
 
# Krystyn 2009-10-24 19:07
Not going to scare me away. I don't get the censoring thing one bit! I try to not watch any news anymore because it is so frustrating.

Then, trying to have a legitimate and knowledgeable discussion with a school of minority students (obv, as a white teacher) re: the president. So very hard! It ALWAYS seems like it is a race issues.

So, please, please continue following in your father's footsteps!
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:21
Krystyn,

I would hope, as a teacher, you would be able to have a discussion about anyone with anyone without it being about race issues.

That really doesn't make sense unless that is something you are bringing to the table.
 
 
# kim-d 2009-10-24 19:40
What I really like is that no matter what people say to you, you refuse to get down in the mud with them. Your reply comments never cross over into the not-classy-at-all category. Unfortunately--or fortunately, as the case may be--I have no problem muckin' around in the mud, and just could not resist on one particular comment. I hope I didn't offend you; I wouldn't want to do that.

NEVER stop speaking your mind, NEVER.
 
 
# Jill 2009-10-24 20:12
I think your posts about clothes and kids are annoying. You should stick to political rants. ;)
 
 
# kim-d 2009-10-25 10:05
BWAHAHAHAHAHA...love it!
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-25 10:09
Me too! I love Jill's comment it made me laugh.
 
 
# Casey 2009-10-24 20:32
Thank you for saying what many others have been thinking.

I, too, am scared of the direction that this country has taken and I continue to be amazed at the people that continually sing the praises of the current administration. I find it amusing that they've made it their personal mission to bring Fox News down. Don't we have more pressing matters at hand?


I admire the President and First Lady for wanting change. We ALL want change. I just don't think this is the best way to get it.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:22
Casey,

When you say "this" (as in "I don't this this is the best way to get it), what exactly are you referring to?
 
 
# Stephanie 2009-10-24 20:56
*Standing Ovation
 
 
# Chrissy 2009-10-24 21:52
I honestly think stating your opinion is great! Good for you! We're all allowed our own opinions! That's part of why this country is so great.
I do respectfully disagree with this particular opinion...but I see the points you're making and think it's great that you're passionate about it. I love a good debate on politics! And I think we should all feel very lucky that we're allowed to have that right. I wish more people actually put this much thought into their political stance.
Don't listen to people that say stupid crap like "stick to writing about kids and clothes."
 
 
# Lauren 2009-10-24 22:00
Wow! I usually get such a kick out of your posts, but I have to admit that this one made me throw up in my mouth a little.

To all of the commenters who are scared about the direction of this nation I will tell you about scared. My husband has been deployed for 3 of the 6 years that we have been married. I often go to bed wondering if my sweet baby daughter will know her dad.

Last week 8 American soldiers died in Afghanistan. Fox gave the fallen soldiers a quick 10 second mention, and proceeded to give the woman who gave birth in her sweatpants mere minutes of air time. Luckily I only encounter Fox news at the gym.

Maybe you should stick to writing posts about your adorable children and being a mom. Just a thought.
 
 
# Pauline 2009-10-24 22:12
I also write really good post about remodeling AND cooking AND traveling. Don't forget to add that too!
 
 
# Leslie 2009-10-24 22:27
Oh Lauren, you just wait until Dziadek reads this one...
 
 
# Lauren 2009-10-25 22:14
Not sure I know who Dziadek is. Care to enlighten me?
 
 
# Elaine 2009-10-24 22:15
I think FOX news is a joke but that doesn't mean I think it should go off the air. Everyone should have their voice heard. I just choose not to watch it. EVER. Thank GOD I still have the freedom to change the channel.

I'm glad you voiced your opinion. I voted for this president and was SO very happy to see BUSH fly away from the White House on inauguration day but that doesn't mean I agree with everything this president is doing or will do. Personally, I think our government has some MAJOR issues right now, on both sides of the spectrum and so I pray about it a lot. I know that won't fix things but it certainly won't hurt.
 
 
# Leslie 2009-10-24 22:28
Lainey, is that you getting all political??? You need to have a "mommy martini" more often ;-)
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:23
Let's be clear, the White House NEVER stated that they were going to take Fox News off the air.

They expressed their opinion that Fox News was not a legitimate news agency.
 
 
# Sarah c 2009-10-24 22:22
Standing O for you. You have said what I have been thinking but knew I couldnt get my point across. I am scared. I see nothing being done. I wonder what will happen. I too made my kids watch that day. Where are the changes he is saying will happen?
 
 
# Annie PhDinParenting 2009-10-24 22:25
I didn't read all of the comments, but wanted to say that I see a big difference between criticizing a media source and shutting down media sources. I think it is completely fair and appropriate to call people out for spouting inaccuracies, whether they are media, companies, politicians, bloggers or anyone else.
 
 
# Leslie 2009-10-24 22:30
I'm blowing up your comment section, yo. Tell OHbrother I want one too...
 
 
# slynnro 2009-10-24 22:32
I agree with your idea. However, Fox news isn't just differing opinions. The majority of the time, it is complete MISINFORMATION. Calling them out on that? Nope. Don't have a problem with that.
 
 
# Jill 2009-10-24 22:36
Here's an interesting article on the subject.

www.cbsnews.com/.../main5415921.shtml?tag=stack
 
 
# slynnro 2009-10-24 22:37
Oh, and for the record, I personally think it was incredibly foolish for the White House to bother with this. I kind of feel like it is stating the obvious! Regardless, I don't necessarily think it's their place and I'm not sure what they thought they might accomplish with such an act.
 
 
# Chelle 2009-10-24 22:41
Love it. As in LOVE it. And it feels so amazing to know that I am not the only one out here having these concerns.
 
 
# Matt M 2009-10-24 23:22
Bravo Pauline. I am disgusted by the current administrations views: trust us because you can't take care of yourselves. Basically raise everybodies taxes & the gov will spend it for us. With all the TRILLIONS that they are spending, we all are guaranteed higher taxes & inflation. However they are content to spin that Bill Gates, etc will just pay for it all by taxing the upper 1%. The dems play us all for stupid. I hope we're not all a bunch of lemmimgs! America was built on such different ideas.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:29
Matt,

Were you disgusted when President Bush depleted the budget surplus ($236 billion) left to him?

Were you disgusted with the President Bush cuts ($2.5 trillion so far)?

Were you disgusted to learn that if President Bush had "stayed the course" of what was left to him there would have been a $5.6 trillion surplus?

Were you disgusted with the financial cost ($700 billion thus far) of the war in Iraq?
 
 
# Audrey at BarkingMad 2009-10-25 00:27
I am soooo late to this thread, but for some reason I don't get this posted to my email until HOURS after the post hits the 'net.

You and I have talked about this before and you know how I feel. We think a lot alike.

I have been on every single conference call that BlogHer and the Sunlight Foundation have sponsored with our elected officials, including the call with Speaker Pelosi. I was the first one out of the gate to ask her a question and all I got was more of the same. Each call it's been the same. More rhetoric and NO CLEAR ANSWERS!

I have been telling myself that I would write about these calls and my experiences after each one. It still hasn't happened because I'm having a hard time containing my anger at being marginalized by someone with a superiority complex.

I'm in the thick of this health care reform drama and I very much have a dog in this fight. We make great money, as a family, have health insurance, and yet, my illness is bankrupting us...but I don't want what's currently on offer, shoved down my throat because it won't do us any good. Apparently we make too much money, according to Pelosi, et all. Yeah, tell my kids that when we uproot them because we've been foreclosed on.

Medical treatment or our house? No one should have to live this nightmare and no one should have to wonder if their gov't is really being transparent. Period.
 
 
# Jill 2009-10-25 10:03
Here's a very interesting article...take a look.

www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28532.html
 
 
# Karen 2009-10-25 11:16
I feel strangely honored that you twittered about my comment last night. As for being "bitch slapped" in Polish - I'm still digesting that one. I'm too afraid to ask for a translation.
 
 
# Lisa@verybusymomwit4 2009-10-25 11:20
Great post Ohmommy!
It is really scary all that is going on these days!
Bravo for standing up and speaking out--you must get that for your brave dad :)
 
 
# Lisa@verybusymomwit4 2009-10-25 11:21
That's FROM your brave dad !
 
 
# thepsychobabble 2009-10-25 12:58
Wanted to add that, even though Fox News makes my blood pressure skyrocket, and want to vomit a little (so does CNN ftr) silencing them is out of the question, imho.
And whether I agree with you or not, I wouldn't stop reading a blog over the writer's political opinion.
Unless it was a political blog. 'cause, well, duh :P
 
 
# thepsychobabble 2009-10-25 12:59
But apparently I already said that.
Is it alright if I blame the flu, the sick children, and the codeine for my total mind melt there?
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 14:30
Right, nobody is "silencing" them.
 
 
# vegas710 2009-10-25 18:02
GreenInOC, I appreciate the polite fact-checking you are doing in this thread. Disagree or not, if we have a different set of facts we can't have a real conversation!
 
 
# Jami 2009-10-25 13:50
Pauline - Love the post. I'm not one to be drawn into a political converstaion but I'm applauding you for speaking up. Very laughable comments from that haters :) I actually came here today to get your stew recipe. I'm trying it out for dinner tonight.
 
 
# Tyne 2009-10-25 14:51
Well articulated post, Pauline, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I really think that you have a more discerning perspective on the direction that our country is heading, considering that socialism is familiar and personal to you. I am afraid that many Americans have been blinded by the bliss which comes with Democracy, Liberties and Capitalism (blessings that they are), and do not see how their constitutional freedoms are in jeopardy. Obama's ambition, eloquence and goodwill will do nothing for this country if he is not motivated by protecting the constitution- it is through this great document that every citizen in the country has the ability to succeed and pursue happiness.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 15:25
Tyne,

Which constitutional freedoms are in jeopardy now that Obama is President?
 
 
# Tiffany 2009-10-25 15:58
BRAVO!!! Very well written post. I couldn't have said it better - the only other thing that I have been disgusted by is the Nobel Peace Prize - Really? What has he done to earn it? I am all for giving him a chance and feel that I am still sitting back to see what happens, but so far I am not overly impressed and quite frankly a bit scared at the direction we are going with several issues - health care included. As a Registered Nurse, I see both sides to the issue and socialized medicine isn't the answer. And make no mistake, if the current proposed plan isn't "socialized", its intent is to go in that direction as quoted by Obama himself.

Anyway, well done... I always love your political posts - you do it very well!
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 17:49
Tiffany,

Would you please supply a link to the quote you are referring to?
 
 
# dina kay 2009-10-25 19:51
I was curious as well so I googled it and found several youtube clips of him saying exactly that.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 19:53
Dina,

Would you post links to what you found please?
 
 
# Tiffany 2009-10-25 23:06
GreenInOC -

Here are several links:
www.youtube.com/.../ - A video of several occasions he discusses a single payer system
www.youtube.com/.../ - The speech quoted in the above clip
www.youtube.com/.../ - While he "backtracks" here - clearly by the end of his statement he discusses "down the line"
www.youtube.com/.../ - on the Today show during the campaign - Backtracking again.

Clearly he has future plans... I am not so sure that the current proposal IN AND OF ITSELF is so bad, but I am very afraid of the doors that it opens and the future direction that it advocates.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-25 23:39
Tiffany,

Thanks for the links.

I watched each video in it's entirety trying to find support for what you stated earlier:

"...if the current proposed plan isn't "socialized", its intent is to go in that direction as quoted by Obama himself"

He never states that he wants "socialized" medicine, he states that he is a proponent of a single payer health plan, he stated that if he were building a plan from scratch then he would build it as a single payer system.

Help me out, at what time stamp does Obama state that he wants socialized medicine?
 
 
# Tiffany 2009-10-26 00:10
First of all, you have way to much time on your hands to spend the whole day debating...

Second, pardon me for not using the appropriate semantics on my first statement that just came off the top of my head, commenting on a blog that I read for entertainment. I should have used the term "single payer system", which whether or not you want to admit to it, would in fact be this country's version of socialized medicine. Is there anyone else that you would speculate to run a single payer system other than our government? Not likely... that would be socialized medicine. So, terminology aside, we are only talking semantics here.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-26 00:22
Tiffany,

"First of all, you have way to much time on your hands to spend the whole day debating..."

And yet, you are here debating with me. Would you like be the pot or the kettle?!

If I were debating to support your view then I would be "brave" but because you and I don't agree then I have too much time on my hands. Interesting...

I do believe that language is vital, especially in situations like this. If statements that are false are argued then it's all just leading to misunderstanding. When facts are substantiated and then debated, only then can real progress be made.

I don't agree that "single payer system" equals socialized medicine. Of course to have a real debate we would have to define what you mean by "socialized medicine".

What single payer means is publicly funded healthcare.

So in your terminology, the following publicly funded services are our country's version of socialized institutions:

Schools, roads, 9-1-1 operators, police, firefighters, public health officials, transportation, military, broadcasting, utilities, etc...

Are you afraid of the above too? Are you afraid of what they might lead to?
 
 
# Tiffany 2009-10-26 01:05
Part one:
One last comment - And, yes you can fairly call me the kettle - Just know that the comment wasn't meant to be derogatory, I am just blown away by your tenacity and in all fairness, your bravery. Do not assume that I do not think you brave for expressing your opinions. I do not align myself completely with either political party and strive to give respect to all opinions.

On this, I do disagree and while you make a great point in listing publicly funded institutions, there is a difference between publicly funded and publicly run. While a single payer system refers to the funding, who do you think they propose to run it? I highly doubt that it will be anyone but a government agency or someone closely tied to government interest. Yes, that is my own speculation but it is also an example of the doors that open with going down the road towards a single payer system and that is exactly where my fear lies.

As a general rule, I am not overly impressed with much of what the government runs and unless Obama overhauls everyone, kicks them out and a whole new set of lawmakers is elected, I do not see that my opinion will change.
 
 
# Tiffany 2009-10-26 01:06
part two
As far as I am concerned the jury is out. The one thing I do know is that I NEVER want to see the day come that I don't have fair options and choice in the healthcare I receive - I do not want the government to make my medical decisions for me.

Thanks for the debate and asking tough questions - I respect your opinion as I hope you can respect mine.
 
 
# Vegas710 2009-10-26 07:39
Tiffany, who do you think runs those systems that GreenInOC listed? They work for the government. The government hires qualified people to run those services.
If you don't want someone making your healthcare decisions, should I assume you do not have health insurance? Because they are the ones deciding right now and they have to make a profit, it's not evil, it's just the way it is right now. But people are dying because of it. Something has to change, something big.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-26 11:17
Vegas,

In addition to people dying, people are going bankrupt because of this and ending up in such dire health that the government has to step in and cover them!

I saw a piece about a man who had a job but no health insurance - he could not afford it nor could he get subsidized care because he made too much money. He could not get treatment for his diabetes. He ended up blind and losing a kidney. Now he is covered by 2 government policies and he can no longer work. Because of his health issues the amount of money being spend on his care is outrageous it would have been much better spend on preventative care and it would have been much cheaper.

I have a family member that went to their state's program for the self-employed. Its supposedly a way for entrepreneurs to gain access to a large pool for group insurance. The quote for a family of 5 healthy people (no pre-existing conditions but that doesn't matter because it's group insurance) was $30,000/year. THAT is not tolerable.
 
 
# Kat 2009-10-25 16:23
I love you. Seriously. Have I told you that lately? Cuz, yeah. I do.
Bravo! :)
 
 
# Daniella 2009-10-25 21:41
I enjoyed this post very much! Thank you. As a conservative I enjoyed reading all the comments. I will end my comment with what my bumper sticker says.... "Sorry Yet? If your not outraged, your not paying attention".
 
 
# Terri Asbury 2009-10-26 09:20
Yes! You are fabulous!
 
 
# stephanie Griffin 2009-10-26 09:23
I just got to this post and I have to give you a hearty amen. It takes courage to say this with your following and I applaud you. It makes me even more convinced we're long lost twins! ;o) Hang in there, Obama won't get another term. People are slowly snapping out of the trance they're in and realizing what they've done!
 
 
# Kathi 2009-10-26 10:05
Never commented before. I consider myself a normal mainstream person. I am fortunate that I am afforded the opportunity to stay home with my children so maybe some would say I am out of touch but I do know what I believe. I am tired of being told that I am not a good American (hello, have a son in on his third tour of a war zone!) or that I am racist simply because I don't agree. I have stopped reading some other blogs because of the increasing liberalism so I thank you for your voice as it also gives me a place to use mine.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-26 11:07
Kathi,

Who has called you a racist?

You aren't the first person to mention this is this thread.

My first inclination is to think that "vibe" must be something you are bringing to the table. However, that inclination is wrong. My first inclination should be to ask WHO called you that and/or said those things to you?
 
 
# Vegas710 2009-10-26 11:26
I find it odd that I can mingle with so many liberal types and never hear them call someone a racist for disagreeing. I hear people say they are being called racist but I've never actually heard someone being called a racist. Who called you racist? Was it someone you know?
 
 
# Jaina 2009-10-26 14:19
I am applauding you right now. You've so eloquently voiced many of the thoughts that have been tumbling around in my head. Thank you for posting this. I think you stated your opinion quite appropriately. (and hey, if you go to Siberia, there will be plenty of us with you ;) )
 
 
# Cara 2009-10-27 12:58
I'm way late to this party, and holy cow the comments. Nothing like some politics to get the blood flowing.

I love how liberals always say that Fox is all lies and conveniently forget the lies and omissions of the mainstream media. When I heard that Obama was targeting Fox, I was scared. Just one more step towards the total control that dems have been wanting for so long. Because *they* know what is best for everyone.

2010 can not come soon enough. There are enough people who are really unhappy with how things are going and the folks in DC are going to get some big surprises.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-27 13:06
Cara,

What do you mean by "targeting"?

Here's a documentary that you might find interesting:

johnlocker.com/.../...

I do consider myself "liberal" or "progressive". I was one of the people on the streets protesting the wars. I saw the numbers of people and was aware of the many events. I noticed how the news did not report on these events accurately (in my mind) or at all.

I felt that the "mainstream" media has a bias too. I felt that their bias was toward "conservatism".

I hear people on the "right" claiming that the mainstream media is biased. I hear people on the "left" claiming that the mainstream media is biased. Maybe that's a good thing? If all sides think there is a bias might that mean that neither side is being represented more unfairly than the other?
 
 
# Cara 2009-10-29 14:46
I'm sorry, GreenInOC, but offering a liberal doc, bought and paid for by MoveOn.Org is hardly definitive proof. Quotes from Al Franken and John Stewart? Please tell me there's more? There is, quotes from MSNBC employees, only the most liberal "news" station on tv. And liberal journalists from The New Yorker and ABC. Really? This is the hard hitting proof? Fox leans right, but no more than MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc lean left. Having watched the mainstream news for many years, it is almost laughable that anyone thinks they aren't employing ALL of the tactics Outfoxed tries to bash.

And by attack, I mean that Obama and his henchmen went on no less than 6 shows this past weekend and said that Fox was not a real news organization and should not be taken seriously. Past presidents may have been more selective about their press engagements, but none have ever gone so far as to openly attack the only station on tv that dares criticize them.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-30 01:36
Cara (Part 1),

If the internal memos of John Moody directing the organization's news, direction and boundaries aren't enough I'm not sure what would be!

I'm confused though - did we watch the same documentary? Jon Stewart was not interviewed, they showed a clip from The Daily Show. They also showed clips showing President Bush, Ari Fleisher, Bill O'Reilly, etc...
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-30 01:37
Cara (Part 2),

You wanted to know if there was more - yes A LOT more.

If you watched it, you would have seen the interviews of 15 former Fox "News" employees exposing the Fox "News bias and tactics, Bob McChesney: Founder of the Free Press/author of "The Problem of the Media"; David Brock: President/CEO Media Matters for America; Gene Kimmelman: Senior Director of the Public Policy & Advocacy Consumers Union; Av Westin: Former Vice President ABC News; James Wolcott: Former Staff Writer for the New Yorker/Cultural Critic for Vanity Fair; Peter Hart: Media Analyst for "Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting"; Bernie Sanders: Congressman (I-VT); Jeremy Glick: Son of Port Authority Worker who died on 09/11; Eric Alterman: Media Critic, Author of "What Liberal Media?"; John Nichols: Author of "Dick: The Man Who is President"; Chellie Pingree: President of Common Cause; Jeff Chester: Executive Director of Center for Digital Democracy; Larry Irving: Former Assistant Sect'y of Commerce for Communication & Information; Len Hill: Independent Producer; Malkia Cyril: Executive Director of Media Youth Council; David Goodfriend: Founder of Air America Radio and Wally Bowen: Founder & Executive Director of the Mountain Area Information Network.
 
 
# GreenInOC 2009-10-30 01:37
Cara (Part 3),

So Obama spoke his opinion and that's an attack. Does that mean that you are attacking me because you are stating your opinion? I wouldn't categorize it as such and I sure hope you wouldn't.

Fox "News" isn't a real news organization, they are an entertainment outlet. If they are considered a news organization so too should be The Daily Show.

Some of Fox "News" own hosts have admitted that they aren't journalists or aren't "practicing" journalists (quotes and description mine, referring to O'Reilly's quote below), but entertainers, commentators, etc...

GLENN: "Now remember, I'm not a journalist"
bit.ly/3BT2d

Sean Hannity:
"Sean is not a journalist - Sean is a conservative commentator," said Bill Shine, Fox's senior vice president of programming.
bit.ly/ApPEs

Letterman: What you do is mostly commentary?
O'Reilly: Now it is, yes.
Starting at around 9:16 bit.ly/27jmO9

Your last sentence sounds to me like you would be okay with Obama's opinion as long as he didn't share it.

For me, I prefer honesty.
 
 
# Amy2boys 2009-10-28 12:54
I saw this post when it went up - and look at the comments! You opened up a can o' worms, no?

I just want to say that I LOVE YOU. It's great that you are willing to post for us minority (and deeply worried) people.
 
 
# Tammy Hopgood 2009-10-28 20:24
*putting on my winter coat*

Cuz surely hell has frozen over when OHmommy has gone and gotten political!

LOL! Bravo girl!

Couldn't agree more!

I. AM. SCARED!!!
 

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